DAR Locomotive # 25

[Bev Buchanan]

Jenkins photo of Edward VII Royal Train at Windsor NS app. 1907

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This is sweet! I've already placed it on the wiki here:
http://dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=I ... R0025b.jpg

Questions:
Can you actually read "Dominion Atlantic Railway" on the tender?
Can you read "Pontgravé" or "Strathcona" on the cab or does it read something else?
Can you read around the Number plate or see anything on the builder's plate? It appears this loco is a Baldwin but it would be nice to confirm.

Can anyone confirm but it appears this engine is still woodburning at this point.

Is the building at the right of the photo the Windsor station?

I can't find anything on Edward VII Royal visit in 1907. I checked here (no luck):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_tour ... th_century

The only Royal Tour that appears to have run through the Valley would have been the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall's Royal Visit in 1901 in which they travelled from St John NB to Halifax ending their visit on October 18, 1901, apparently by the way of the D.A.R. I attach a scan I have that confirms this route (source of image unknown).

I am discounting visits by Edward Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) as this photo appears to be earlier than his first visit in 1919.

[Bev Buchanan]

Hello Everyone;
Glad to see some interest in the pix of Loco # 25.
We have looked at the pix under magnification and across the top of the headlight is the word "Strathcona" which is also writen under the windows in the cab. On the side of the tender is "Dominion Atlantic Railway". My guess is that the note on the back of the picture may be off a bit and it may very well be the 1901 trip Steve mentioned.
I have no info as to what the Windsor station looked like prior to the one I worked in during the 60's however will keep searching for details.
Hope this helps.
Bev

[Dan Conlin]

Nice image. I love that early DAR pinstriping - although I'd hate to model it!
I think it is certainly Windsor with its gambrel roof style 1881 station. See Vol. II, page 4 of Gary Ness' DAR book.
This is earlier than I would have expected for Harold Jenkins as everything I have seen from him starts in the 1920s. Maybe this is an early work or a photo that he copied?
Not sure about the Royal Tour dates.
I don't think it is a woodburner, as it lacks the big diamond shaped spark catcher stack. Only the first generation of DAR locomotives were woodburners as by the 1890s there was lots of coal available via rail from Cumberland, Pictou and Cape Breton.

Dan Conlin

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Thanks for the reference Dan. There can be no doubt it is the Windsor station after I looked in Vol II of CP's DAR. While zooming in on the station I noticed what appears to be a temporarily erected stage with flags for the occaision right beside the station as well. The bare appearance of the rest of the scenery is due to the great fire of 1897 as mentioned in Gary's book.

Also of note is that the old station was left right beside the new station as shown in this old postcard on the wiki:
http://dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=I ... a_1911.jpg

Can you tell us whether the new station in the postcard is the same station that served right until the end. Is it a brick station?

On Vol I P. 4 of CP's DAR there's another loco that apart from the cylinders looks exactly like No. 25 at Windsor. This would lead to to confirm that No. 25 is indeed a Baldwin. However, the cyclinders would help date it even more if someone was more familiar with these types of details.

I also find it interesting that it seems like the first gentleman on the left in the No. 25 photo is the same gentleman at the throttle in the photo in CP's DAR Vol 1 p. 4. and that the second gent from the left in the No. 25 picture could be the same gent standing behind the engineer at the throttle in the other photo.

Is that Jenkins signature typical of most Jenkins photos?

[Dan Conlin]

I think the "new" station in that 1911 image is the brick station that stood until the end of steam. I can see brick mortar lines in close up and the dormers are the same as the later photos, even though the eaves were cut back and some of the trim went.

Another interesting location detail in this neat image is the schooner mast at the extreme left. That is the old Windsor docks area. It must be high tide or the mast would be much lower!

No. 25 was certainly a Baldwin locomotive. Omer Lavallee is pretty specific listing it as built by Baldwin in March 1901, builder number 18815. It also has the typical Baldwin round builders plate. No. 18 on page 4 of Ness Vol I was also built by Baldwin, but in 1897 with those short lived wierd compound cylinders.

I am less certain about the facial resemblance of those two people, I always find it hard to judge faces. Those are amazing WHITE engineers duds! Special occaision only I would think!

The signature is pretty close to other versions of his signed photos, a little more tight in its loops.

Dan

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This photo is still bugging me. The earliest photo if the brick station is Circa 1911. It would have clearly obscured the old station we can see had it been there. Therefore, we can estimate that this is pre "circa" 1911 although this is another date we'd like to firmly nail down for the appearance of the brick station.

I have scoured sites on the internet and it seems that indeed Edward when he was a prince did visit but in only 2 days that he spent in Halifax in 1919 it seems unlikely he made it up to Windsor. Of course in 1919 we would be able to see the brick station.

The Duke of Connaught (Prince Albert) visited the valley extensively up to the Kentville area in 1912., It would seem certain that the Duke had an interest in the Camp Aldershot area to which he would return many times during WWI to raise interest and oversee the training of the two Voluntary forces that went to war. This is the most likely based on the information we have but where's the brick station?

It also could have been 1901, 1906, 1911 or 1912. It seems Nova Scotia was very popluar for the Royals during this period of time. None of the information I have found so far indicates that any of the above tours specifically visited Windsor (except for 1912). Judging by the length of time (2 months) for the 1901 Royal visit of the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and York (later George V) it could be that this was it although their official itinerary does not place them in Windsor at any time. This train was headed west into the valley as well. I'm leaning toward the Royal visits of 1906, 1911 and 1912 as the most likely as this is a relatively low key Royal train although a full itenerary of each visit would help nail this down even better.

On the discussion page in the wiki:
http://dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=F ... R0025b.jpg
is the very same information there that I got from:

1901 - The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall & York (later King George V and Queen Mary) - October. Halifax, Amherst.

1906 - Prince Arthur of Connaught - 28 April to 29 April. Halifax. VIsited Royal Artillery Park.

1911 - Princess Patricia of Connaught - Halifax.

1912 - Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught with Princess Luise, Duchess of Connaught and their daughter Princess Patricia. Prince Arthur installed as Governor General at Quebec City. Prince Arthur unveils Sir Sanford Fleming Park (Dingle Tower) memorial in Halifax. 01 August to 17 August. Digby, Windsor, Wolfville, Grand Pre, Port Williams, Starr's Point, Canard, Kentville and Middleton.

1913 - Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught with Princess Luise, Duchess of Connaught and their daughter Princess Patricia left Halifax on the Empress of Britain for Liverpool - March 22.

1913 - Prince Albert (later King George VI), Halifax, May 24th. Prince Albert arrived on the cruiser, Cumberland. He drove through the streets of Halifax with Commander Smith and Captain Hicks, Aide de Campe to Lieutenant Governor McGregor. He attended an "at home" and dance at Government House.

1919 - Prince Edward, Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII and Duke of Windsor after his abdication in 1936) - 17 August to 18 August. Arrived on HMS Dragon.

http://nsroyalvisit.yolasite.com/1900---1950.php

Although not British Royalty, Prince Louis of Battenberg might have been accorded the same treament as other British Royals considering he was a relative to them.

1905 - Prince Louis of Battenberg - Halifax, Annapolis. - September 22nd - November 1st.

http://nsroyalvisit.yolasite.com/foreig ... visits.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Louis_of_Battenberg

I am also now convinced that this photo:
http://dardpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=F ... ationc.jpg
is also a photo of a greeting party at Kentville waiting for a different Royal train to arrive. It seems unlikely that this was the same train as Windor judging by the amount of snow in the picture. However, examination of what appears to be the same unique Royal flag found flying in Kentville and on the front lower right of the enginein Windsor seems to indicate that a Royal visit was indeed occuring.

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It appears now after the years since this topic was hot that at least one fact has come to light and that is that Jenkins would sign all his photos "Jenkins" or ticket punch them whether he actually took them or not.

It maybe however that he only ticket punched his negatives in his collection or maybe just the negatives of the ones he took himself. Time will reveal more. At least we know this much now.